Ryuko's armoury

Staff always has, and always will reserve the right to require balancing aspects on any creation. The attunement system is there as a balancing system in order to prevent too many powerful items being used by a single individual at a time. The list of things that take attunement will always take attunement. However any other creation that could feasibly have one added to it can have the slot be used as a balancing factor.

A majority of staff agreed that the shield needed to take an attunement slot in it's currently apped form which seems to be the bare minimum you'll accept. You're not also going to then try to add something else that would need an attunement slot too.

The only reason I'm even willing to accept it in the first place is because it is using a material that was given as a vague reward in an event from years ago in addition to using a once yearly cooldown from someone which mind you I don't generally acknowledge as a balancing factor at all.

It isn't up for a debate, it isn't getting approved in it's currently apped form without requirement an attunement slot.

For the sake of clarity though, I will point out that the shield on it's own can be used without it taking an attunement slot. It's ability to absorb jutsu is what will need attunement. Otherwise you can still use the thing as just an X grade quality shield.

The problem here is that what you are arguing for is essentially the appeal to authority logical falicy. Staff says it should be this way, therefore it must be true.

You can say it should require an attuinment slot but that's not what the rules themselves say. Yes staff has the right to require balancing aspects on any creation. But those aspects still have to be consistent with the rules.

If a majority of staff thinks absorbing jutsu should take an attunment slot then logical thing to do is update the rules to add a new category to the list.

There's a flaw or two with your argument of 'Logical Fallacy'

The first is that particular Fallacy, specifically 'Appeal to Authority' requires it to be the only reason one is using to argue against something. You've been told why it needs to take an attunement slot, you've been told why your shield is busted broken. You've been told why, at every step of the way. Hell the staff team even went above and beyond and actually MADE an approvable version for you. Something we're not even required to do.

It isn't anyone's fault but your own that you won't accept the answer with any form of grace. Ironic given your characters angelic motif.

The second is the fact that while 'Appeal to Authority' is a logical Fallacy it also isn't reasonable to disregard the demonstrated ability of those in good practice. You haven't once provided an actual decent argument for why your shield shouldn't take an attunement. Trying to use the 'examples' of some things that take attunement slots as your argument is not only flawed in it's own right. But it's little more than the desperate straw grasping you always do when you get told another one of your blatantly overpowered things needs to get retuned.

But let's step aside from all of that and actually compare the shield to everything else that gets to absorb techniques.

Two clans and 2 other artifacts have the ability to absorb chakra out of jutsu, and frankly one of the two artifacts can't even really do that.

Mikiri, which requires a skill point investment into lightning, 3,000 exp to fully unlock, the user to stand still while absorbing a jutsu, has a post requirement to absorb jutsu, and can't absorb jutsu through barrier techniques of even C rank and above. Can't absorb Bijuu chakra without having one and can't absorb nature chakra without having access to it as well.

Otsutsuki, which has the Preta Path. Any path of course takes an enhanced state slot, as well as a skill point. However they do get a few more benefits than Mikiri, because it takes that previously mentioned enhanced state slot. First the absorption can happen at 360 degrees around them. However Mikiri gets to hold onto the jutsu they've absorbed and recast it back, or choose to add that chakra from it to their pool later, so long as it's within the same topic. Whereas Preta can only add it back to their stamina pool as they absorb it. Preta does allow for the absorption through barriers and can even remove the boosts from SM and Bijuu too so long as the user maintains physical contact. It can also absorb Genjutsu up to A rank, and doesn't have a cap on how many it can absorb while it's activated.

So Preta gets to absorb Gen of up to A rank, do so from any direction around them (where as Mikiri needs to have the hand at least in general facing the direction of the technique being absorbed). It gets to absorb chakra from any skill (Only up to A rank for Gen) but can't hold onto it to add at a later time. It can absorb nature and bijuu chakra but only when within physical contact (and obvs needs to be able to deal with Sage Chakra or be a statue). It still however requires the user to stand still while absorbing and doesn't provide any physical defensive capabilities whatsoever unless that physical capability is coming from a chakra based jutsu.

Chakra armor is so limited it might as well not even be an example but let's play this out.

A rank armor can absorb up to 5 B rank jutsu, doesn't stop movement but the jutsu it stops is so limited that it isn't really a factor and in all honesty becomes worthless the moment someone can boost to S rank con.

Samehada, which is the artifact you've been trying to compare this thing to ever since you were told it would need to be retuned, can't absorb projectile based attacks at all. Hell it can't absorb any technique really except for Tailed Beast Ball. Otherwise the chakra going into it has to come from hitting the person or adding it oneself. It does get to absorb Jinchuriki cloaks, but can't absorb or even sense Nature Energy at all.

Not only that but if Samehada does try to eat fire nature chakra from any source it immediately loses a large chunk of it's pool and can really rip into the users pool to make up the difference if Samehada's pool reaches 0 because of it.

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Now then, back to your shield. The one that absorbs up to 10 energy based techniques that hit it. unlike Samehada, without having a post limit like Mikiri, without limiting your movement like Mikiri and Preta, the one that can catch and absorb even tailed beast bombs without issue and nature chakra without issue too. The one that can hold the chakra in it's pool for an entire thread and have an amount equivalent to 3 and 1/3rd S rank jutsu activations pulled out during a single post? With an overall cap dependent on the wielders base stamina, unlike Samehada which has the cap set in stone? That shield?

The one that doesn't take a bloodline slot, a restricted slot, have a skill point requirement or even an attunement slot?

But when asked for that minimal requirement you try to eek out more by adding one of the things that are used as examples for attunement slots. Citing that the rules say those things take attunement while blatantly ignoring the fact that rules don't say those are the 'only' things that take them.

The answer is no.

Simply deciding you're not going to add an attunement slot because you don't think it's fair isn't going to get the thing approved. You're not going to add a passive stat buff, cost reduction, or damage type reduction to it in order to try to get the thing even more broken than it already is.

Balls in your court now, you can try to whine or throw a tantrum. That's fine, but while you're doing those things, go ahead and add 'Yes, for the jutsu absorbing function' next to 'Attunement'. Otherwise it isn't going to get approved.

They rules might not say that other things can't require attunment but if it's not actually written down then the logical assumption is that they wouldn't.    That isn't to say the list is immutable just that it should be amended when new things come along that hadn't been considered before.  Keeping it up to date is important for avoiding issues such as this from happening in the first place.

Let's say I wanted to app the infinity armor or make a new item that featured Jutsu absorbing. Or what about existing items such as the Snow chakra armor or the Chakra disruption device. Do they require an attunment slot or not?   If they do then that should be written down in the rules so things are clear to everyone.   If they don't then why are you insisting on a one off exception just for this one item when everything else that requires attunment ALWAYS requires attuinment? 


All I'm asking is for staff to update the rules to to add jutsu absorption to the attunment list in writing which isn't being unreasonable.

Name: Tengādian (Heavenly Protector)
Item Rank: X
Material Rank: S+
Units Used: 1 Unit Naughty or Nice Material (Provided by Ryuko)
Requirements: The user is required to have B Rank Strength to wield this shield in 1 hand. The user is required to have at least B Rank Stamina in order to use the Crystal.
Description: Tengādian is a mastercraft Shield created by Damien for Ryuko, following her specifications as to its size and appearance. This weapon has 3 configurations:
:: Ecranche: A small 15 inch by 15 inch shield.
:: Tower Shield: A large tower shield standing at approximately 5 feet tall and 3 feet wide.
:: Bunker: A massive and heavy shield that stands at 2 meters tall and can widen itself into a semi-circle, increasing it's width to 5 meters.
In the center of all Shield configuratations is a large Crystal, approximately 6 inches in radius. The user may also leave this shield in place as a type of barricade.
Transforming between each Configuration is performed at S Rank speed.

Effect: When an energy-based chakra attack makes contact with the shield, all damage that hits the shield is negated up to S-Rank techniques -- All negated attacks deal no damage to the shield. The user may choose when to negate energy-based attacks and may only negate up to 10 energy-based chakra attacks. Any energy-based chakra attacks that contact the shield will grant the chakra of the attack to the crystal. The crystal can store up to a maximum amount of chakra equal to the user's Base Stamina maximum (If the user has A-Tier Stamina, the crystal is capable of holding and can only absorb up to 260 CP worth of chakra). Once the crystal has absorbed the user's base stamina worth of chakra (cumulatively) or has absorbed 10 Energy Based techniques, it cannot absorb any more chakra.  However in order for the wielder to use the energy stored as a secondary reserve they must pay 2000 exp to unlock access.   Only 100 Chakra stored by the crystal may be used by the user in a single post. The amount of energy-based chakra attacks that the shield can negate will be reset upon leaving the thread. The user also gains access to the Ultimate Shield Shadow Clone enchantment.

Spoiler:

Weakness:
:: When in the Bunker Configuration, the user is rooted to the ground and cannot move due to the extreme weight of the shield. While it covers a much larger area, this will render the user immobile. The user must change the shield configuration in order to move it
:: In the Ecranche and Tower Shield Configuration, the user is capable of moving around at will. If the user isn't grounded, they will be knocked back by an energy based attack equal to the range of the attack (if an attack has a 100m range and the user attempts to negate the damage, they will still feel the force behind the attack. If they attempt to negate the attack 20m from the attack, they will be knocked back 80m)
:: All energy attacks that go beyond the boundaries of the shield (the parts that aren't negated) may still deal damage to the user or anyone they are protecting if they aren't directly behind the shield). This will protect anyone directly behind the protective area behind the shield
:: This shield cannot 'absorb' anything considered physical such as weapon-based attacks, doton, suiton, etc.
:: The crystal, itself, has S+ hardness and can be broken separately from the shield, itself. If the crystal is broken, all stored chakra will completely vanish. The shield may also not be able to absorb energy based attacks if broken. The shield also reverts to its ecranche form and will stay in this form until the crystal is repaired.
Requirement: Master Armor Craftsman
Crafting Time: 14 Days
Yield: 1
Attunement: Yes - Required to use any abilities involving Negation, the Chakra Pool, and the Enchantment

Ryuko wrote:Name: Tengādian (Heavenly Protector)
Item Rank: X
Material Rank: S+
Units Used: 1 Unit Naughty or Nice Material (Provided by Ryuko)
Requirements: The user is required to have B Rank Strength to wield this shield in 1 hand. The user is required to have at least B Rank Stamina in order to use the Crystal.
Description: Tengādian is a mastercraft Shield created by Damien for Ryuko, following her specifications as to its size and appearance. This weapon has 3 configurations:
:: Ecranche: A small 15 inch by 15 inch shield.
:: Tower Shield: A large tower shield standing at approximately 5 feet tall and 3 feet wide.
:: Bunker: A massive and heavy shield that stands at 2 meters tall and can widen itself into a semi-circle, increasing it's width to 5 meters.
In the center of all Shield configuratations is a large Crystal, approximately 6 inches in radius. The user may also leave this shield in place as a type of barricade.
Transforming between each Configuration is performed at S Rank speed.

Effect: When an energy-based chakra attack makes contact with the shield, all damage that hits the shield is negated up to S-Rank techniques -- All negated attacks deal no damage to the shield. The user may choose when to negate energy-based attacks and may only negate up to 10 energy-based chakra attacks. Any energy-based chakra attacks that contact the shield will grant the chakra of the attack to the crystal. The crystal can store up to a maximum amount of chakra equal to the user's Base Stamina maximum (If the user has A-Tier Stamina, the crystal is capable of holding and can only absorb up to 260 CP worth of chakra). Once the crystal has absorbed the user's base stamina worth of chakra (cumulatively) or has absorbed 10 Energy Based techniques, it cannot absorb any more chakra.  However in order for the wielder to use the energy stored as a secondary reserve they must pay 2000 exp to unlock access.   Only 100 Chakra stored by the crystal may be used by the user in a single post. The amount of energy-based chakra attacks that the shield can negate will be reset upon leaving the thread. The user also gains access to the Ultimate Shield Shadow Clone enchantment.

Spoiler:

Weakness:
:: When in the Bunker Configuration, the user is rooted to the ground and cannot move due to the extreme weight of the shield. While it covers a much larger area, this will render the user immobile. The user must change the shield configuration in order to move it
:: In the Ecranche and Tower Shield Configuration, the user is capable of moving around at will. If the user isn't grounded, they will be knocked back by an energy based attack equal to the range of the attack (if an attack has a 100m range and the user attempts to negate the damage, they will still feel the force behind the attack. If they attempt to negate the attack 20m from the attack, they will be knocked back 80m)
:: All energy attacks that go beyond the boundaries of the shield (the parts that aren't negated) may still deal damage to the user or anyone they are protecting if they aren't directly behind the shield). This will protect anyone directly behind the protective area behind the shield
:: This shield cannot 'absorb' anything considered physical such as weapon-based attacks, doton, suiton, etc.
:: The crystal, itself, has S+ hardness and can be broken separately from the shield, itself. If the crystal is broken, all stored chakra will completely vanish. The shield may also not be able to absorb energy based attacks if broken. The shield also reverts to its ecranche form and will stay in this form until the crystal is repaired.
Requirement: Master Armor Craftsman
Crafting Time: 14 Days
Yield: 1
Attunement: Yes - Required to use any abilities involving Negation, the Chakra Pool, and the Enchantment

This shield is approved.