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    On The Topic of Remixes

    Tang Hao
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    Post by Tang Hao Tue Feb 11, 2020 12:20 am

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    So from what many people have seen, there has been a great deal of conflict surrounding the concept of remixing characters after death or inactivity. While this has only happened a couple of times, this is an important subject to discuss as I believe it negatively affects the landscape of in character interactions and the integrity of the site as a whole.

    To my understanding, and feel free to correct me if I’m wrong, a character remix is a new character created in the event of a character death that is similar in many aspects to the old character but with sufficiently different characteristics that define them as a separate person from the original. Now, this description of a remix is pretty vague as something being sufficiently different can mean different things to different people. In the case of this forum, there have been a few instances of remixing that have been argued as having set a precedent for future rulings on the subject. So before we get into why I see the current state of remixes as a negative influence on the forum, we should first discuss at least one of the precedents that have been set.

    Now I don’t know much about what went down regarding this specific ruling as it happened before I was on this site, but from what I’ve heard and read a character named Seigi died to a plague during an activity check and when they returned they wanted to rp a very similar character. So in this case they were given the chance to create a jounin in a different village, with a different kkg, a similar appearance, and the same name. The caveat here is that the character that was created was technically the same one, but from an alternate reality, which leaves very heavy in character implications given the original character’s connection with Shimiko, who at this point is a major state actor. Something like this already borders on the line of ridiculousness to me as I feel it cheapens the interactions and developments caused by a character’s death, but given that the character died from an inactivity check rather than the actions of something caused in character, and given the original character made a solid three posts in its lifetime , it definitely feels like a more forgivable.

    Despite this specific situation having some interesting personal plot implications for both Seigi and Shimiko, it sets a negative precedent for the site as a whole in that it allows people to argue that should be allowed to make characters that have builds and appearances that are very close to their original characters and that have close connections with the same characters as their previous ones. In the case of a combat roleplay death, this cheapons the narrative loss of that character to mere experience points, with the possible added bonus of some weird character interactions following finding out about this new character. Remixes of this nature are cheapened even more when there is next to no actual in character build up related to them, and they just appear with very similar IC connections, appearances, and abilities, creating odd logical inconsistencies IC.

    The solution to this problem would be to make a rule that states that after a character dies, a new character cannot have the same appearance of the dead character, nor could they have any IC connections related to their previous character or their previous character’s own IC connections. This isn’t to say that they would be unable to have their character connected in some way to some of their previous character’s IC connections, but they shouldn’t be able to be like “Hey I know that Jim Uchiha just died in battle, but hey, I’m his previously unmentioned brother Bob Uchiha, pleasure to talk with you Larry Hyuuga. I know that you’re my brother’s lifetime rival who knew everything about his life, and even though he never mentioned having a brother in any form of writing related to his character, you totally have a plot interwoven with my character history.” Things like this are unreasonable to the other members of the forum and debase any semblance of continuity or loss.

    Tl;dr  - Character remixes shouldn’t really exist in the case of characters that die in battle or through IC means. The extent of a new character’s relation to an old one should be similar or exact same abilities, with most other aspects of the character being different.

    Please feel free to share your opinions on the subject.


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    Hana Kaguya
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    Post by Hana Kaguya Tue Feb 11, 2020 12:47 am

    Tang Hao wrote:
    On The Topic of Remixes A0e9d31c4c8cdd4f905acac669c219af

    So from what many people have seen, there has been a great deal of conflict surrounding the concept of remixing characters after death or inactivity. While this has only happened a couple of times, this is an important subject to discuss as I believe it negatively affects the landscape of in character interactions and the integrity of the site as a whole.

    To my understanding, and feel free to correct me if I’m wrong, a character remix is a new character created in the event of a character death that is similar in many aspects to the old character but with sufficiently different characteristics that define them as a separate person from the original. Now, this description of a remix is pretty vague as something being sufficiently different can mean different things to different people. In the case of this forum, there have been a few instances of remixing that have been argued as having set a precedent for future rulings on the subject. So before we get into why I see the current state of remixes as a negative influence on the forum, we should first discuss at least one of the precedents that have been set.

    Now I don’t know much about what went down regarding this specific ruling as it happened before I was on this site, but from what I’ve heard and read a character named Seigi died to a plague during an activity check and when they returned they wanted to rp a very similar character. So in this case they were given the chance to create a jounin in a different village, with a different kkg, a similar appearance, and the same name. The caveat here is that the character that was created was technically the same one, but from an alternate reality, which leaves very heavy in character implications given the original character’s connection with Shimiko, who at this point is a major state actor. Something like this already borders on the line of ridiculousness to me as I feel it cheapens the interactions and developments caused by a character’s death, but given that the character died from an inactivity check rather than the actions of something caused in character, and given the original character made a solid three posts in its lifetime , it definitely feels like a more forgivable.

    Despite this specific situation having some interesting personal plot implications for both Seigi and Shimiko, it sets a negative precedent for the site as a whole in that it allows people to argue that should be allowed to make characters that have builds and appearances that are very close to their original characters and that have close connections with the same characters as their previous ones. In the case of a combat roleplay death, this cheapons the narrative loss of that character to mere experience points, with the possible added bonus of some weird character interactions following finding out about this new character. Remixes of this nature are cheapened even more when there is next to no actual in character build up related to them, and they just appear with very similar IC connections, appearances, and abilities, creating odd logical inconsistencies IC.

    The solution to this problem would be to make a rule that states that after a character dies, a new character cannot have the same appearance of the dead character, nor could they have any IC connections related to their previous character or their previous character’s own IC connections. This isn’t to say that they would be unable to have their character connected in some way to some of their previous character’s IC connections, but they shouldn’t be able to be like “Hey I know that Jim Uchiha just died in battle, but hey, I’m his previously unmentioned brother Bob Uchiha, pleasure to talk with you Larry Hyuuga. I know that you’re my brother’s lifetime rival who knew everything about his life, and even though he never mentioned having a brother in any form of writing related to his character, you totally have a plot interwoven with my character history.” Things like this are unreasonable to the other members of the forum and debase any semblance of continuity or loss.

    Tl;dr  - Character remixes shouldn’t really exist in the case of characters that die in battle or through IC means. The extent of a new character’s relation to an old one should be similar or exact same abilities, with most other aspects of the character being different.

    Please feel free to share your opinions on the subject.


    I'm on board with this tbh.

    The most I feel is allowable for reincarnation is their soul and should just entirely be for flavor. And by flavor I mean having absolutely no connections with their prior life. The character may find certain familiarity to a place, but nothing mechanical or that would influence their decisions in the future. Everything should be original.


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    Mal'Zeth Muramatsu
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    Post by Mal'Zeth Muramatsu Tue Feb 11, 2020 5:53 am

    I'm mostly on board with the exception of the face claim bit to be honest. That would lock out all the good FC's for good and would make finding them more and more difficult. People in the world can look similar, and be totally different individuals, however I fully, 100% agree with everything else in this.


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    Chigetsu
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    Post by Chigetsu Tue Feb 11, 2020 9:34 am

    I agree with this as well, with the exception of the topic of faceclaims. Although reusing a faceclaim of a character of your own who just died should be scrutinized heavily. Other than that I ditto the opinion of Hana and Tang Hao.


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    Uchiha Akihiro
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    Post by Uchiha Akihiro Wed Feb 12, 2020 11:54 pm

    Hana wrote:
    The most I feel is allowable for reincarnation is their soul and should just entirely be for flavor. And by flavor I mean having absolutely no connections with their prior life. The character may find certain familiarity to a place, but nothing mechanical or that would influence their decisions in the future. Everything should be original.

    This is pretty much my feeling on the subject.

    I don't like the idea of having to force people to be original with every new character but....if we have to, we have to.


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